Wednesday, February 16, 2005

Ethics, Deliberation, and Motivation

Let’s consider the situation in which a person has asked, about some situation, “what should I do?” Obviously this comes up all of the time, so you’d think that we would have a pretty good idea what is happening when someone is deliberating in this way.

Filling in some particulars, let’s say that the person is trying to decide whether or not to eat meat, given the ethical considerations of doing so. So the person might consider some things:

Do any or all animals deserve moral standing?
If so, what about eating them violates this moral standing?
If not, ought I refrain from eating meat for another ethical reason, such as world food supply issues?
If so, do all have equal moral standing, or by what criteria do we judge the value of an animal’s life?

And on and on…

Now, I am not posting this in order to start an animal welfare discussion. What I want to discuss is what, exactly, is going on here if we are not assuming some form of moral realism? Because it seems to me that such moral deliberation makes no sense if we aren’t assuming a moral realist standpoint. Yet nobody who I ever discuss ethics with ever wants to commit to a realist position.

Before going further, let’s define moral realism:

This is a paraphrase of the definition in the Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy

moral realism: a metaethical view committed to the objectivity of ethics, and consisting of three components: 1) A metaphysical component which consists of the claim that there are moral facts and moral properties whose existence and nature are independent of people’s beliefs and attitudes about what is right and wrong. 2) A semantic component that consists of the claim that moral judgments should be construed as assertions about the moral properties of the objects of moral assessment, that moral predicates purport to refer to properties of such objects, that moral judgments can be true or false, and that beliefs can match the propositions that moral judgments express. 3) An epistemological component consisting of the claim that some moral beliefs are true, that there are methods for justifying moral beliefs, and that moral knowledge is possible.

Now that we’ve got the technical definition, lets sum it up this way:

moral realism: the view that there are moral facts, that when we talk about these moral facts we are talking about them in a straightforward and common sense way, and that we can justify and have better and worse beliefs concerning these facts.


At this point, perhaps, this posting will become like one of those choose your own adventure books:

1) If you accept some form of moral realism, please explain your moral realist position.
2) If you do not, please continue below.

Getting back to the original example—the person deliberating about whether or not to eat meat, and if we don NOT accept some form of moral realism:

What are we doing when we deliberate in this way???

I think I’ll stop here for now, realizing that I haven’t written all that I wanted so far, but so that there isn’t too much to discuss. Are we on the same page so far? I want to continue asking what the deliberative questions are attempting to get answers to if moral realism is not a correct position, and whether any other ethical view, such as relativism or subjectivism, could possibly provide justified and/or rational motivation.

4 Comments:

Blogger fgelias said...

i guess you could call my position a 50% moral realist. i have certain principles that i fall back on when making decisions (for example, i DON'T eat meat or dairy and this IS because of world food supply issues). but i don't necessarily believe that my principles should be the same principles as everyone else's.

my moral "truths" largely stem from a belief in some intrisic value of humanity, and the worth of certain human traits. so, briefly, if eating meat contributes to hunger and starvation, and i believe that human life is precious, then i should not eat meat.

but i understand that not everyone values humanity above all (some are utilitarians, others take their moral standing from a religious text or teaching). so to use a term of rorty's, i take my fundamental principles with "irony". this, among other things, prevents me from "evangelizing" my moral principles.

so some might call me a moral realist, but others see this position as a relativist cop-out.

i'm honestly not sure which is more accurate.

9:06 AM

 
Blogger luke_d said...

Jeff-

If I am understanding you right, you don’t really buy into the concreteness of moral realism. I don’t blame you—neither do I. The only problem I’ve got with things is that it seems to me as if we all (including those who deny realism) still ask the same questions—ones that seem to imply moral realism. Why? Perhaps it is a left over habit passed down socially from a time when nearly everyone did believe in moral realism or a commonality due to the fact that many today still believe in some form of realism. Those are possibilities, maybe. What other possibilities are there to explain our questioning? And in addition, quite honestly, it seems frightening to me to think that if we ask, “is it wrong to kill people gratuitously,” we can only answer that it is wrong “to us.”

Later in your post, you list a series of questions about the meat dilemma. Do you mean those as questions that we ask ourselves while we are considering the situations? Or do you mean those as factors that might determine whether we eat meat and don’t necessarily take the form of self-questioning? To me, those seem more like factors—they are like our programming maybe. So, we’re going along in life, let’s say, with these tastes and likes and dislikes (for example, we don’t have much empathy for animals, we do like the taste of animal flesh), and then one day we stop and think, is eating this meat OK? It seems then, that if we answer with things like, “well, I don’t have empathy for animals, and I do like the taste, and…”, then we aren’t answering the question in a way that fits with our question. Because to me, it seems that we are asking, when we ask ourselves if eating meat is OK, is eating meat WRONG? Even if I had previously thought it was ok to eat meat, was I mistaken? And could our whole society in general be mistaken about if eating meat is OK? It seems to me as if we ARE asking those questions. And if we are moral relativists (or any non-realists) and asking them, then WHY are we asking them?

elias-

Yeah, it is a pickle to figure out if that counts as moral realism.

When you say that “i don’t necessarily believe that my principles should be the same principles as everyone else’s” it reminds me of the last discussion on authority figures. But would you say that there are some principles that are better than others?

You go on to say that your “moral ‘truths’ largely stem from a belief in the intrinsic value of humanity…” So my question then becomes, why believe in such an intrinsic value? And more importantly, why continue to believe in that way?

Also, I don’t get the irony. What do you mean?

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I think the way this might work best is for me to keep plugging away at the longer argument and discussing each section (or whatever) in the postings. So that's the way we'll do it, ok? Or SHOULD we do it a different way? (that is a realist SHOULD)

2:22 AM

 
Blogger fgelias said...

sorry... i meant to explain the whole "irony" thing. rorty uses the term to mean something like: i believe something is true (poor people should be entitled to government assistance), but though i may have an argument for why i think this is true, this argument eventually rests on something which can never be universally demonstrated. therefore i believe what i believe while at the same time understanding that i have no real reason for believing it.

so how do i make decisions? well i guess it is a sort of faith in what i believe is right, but different than faith. faith implies (i think) some sort of certainty. if someone with a blindfold on has faith that a bridge is in front of her, she will step out onto the "bridge" (think indiana jones and the last crusade), but if a person is more like me and has a sense of irony about his beliefs, then it is very unlikely that he will step out onto the bridge.

so while i believe that the bridge is there, i am not certain that the bridge is there. if i do decide to step out onto the bridge then i do it with a smile on my face and a hope in my heart. the smile is to send a message to my detractors that in the end it doesn't really matter whether the bridge is there or not, because we all have to get up in the morning and walk onto our own invisible bridges every day. that's just the way it is.

we can either accept it, or we can spend our lives worrying that we don't have "the" right answer. of course we don't have "the" right answer. but we do have an answer.

i don't mean to say that we shouldn't think about what we do and why we do it... on the contray this is absolutely important. rather i am saying that it is silly to spend all this effort on finding universal truths that can bring us certainty.

that is what i meant by irony.

4:53 PM

 
Blogger luke_d said...

I think I agree with what you and Rorty are saying there. However, the thing I don't tend to like about it is that it glosses over or skips something important:

No views are any more justifiable than any others.

Also, isn't it possible to question whether or not to continue to hold the beliefs you currently hold? If so, then how would one decide what to believe?

1:00 AM

 

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